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Scalia on Roe v. Wade

by | Sep 19, 2012

By Dave Andrusko

Justice Antonin Scalia

An interview given by Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia in which he touches on Roe v. Wade is always worth the price of admission.

I was perusing a pro-abortion site this morning when I saw the link to an interview Justice Scalia gave Reuters’ Terry Baynes that actually had run Monday.

But accepting paraphrases is always tricky, and often problematic. Here is what Scalia said about Roe and “precedent,” according to Baynes. [Only the few words within the single quote mark come directly from Justice Scalia.]

“He does not consider that binding precedent, he said, because it was wrong, remains controversial and is an issue better left to legislators than judges,” Baynes wrote

“What’s more, the court’s subsequent decisions on abortion are based on the judge-made theory of ‘substantive due process,’ which guarantees certain fundamental rights like privacy. It’s ‘utterly idiotic,’ Scalia said.”

Hmm. There’s a more Baynes than Scalia there. Short of reading his opinions, a better gauge of what Justice Scalia thinks about Roe would be to listen to him speak.

That’s what happened last July when CNN’s Piers Morgan interviewed Justice Scalia. (Kudos to Kathleen Jean Lopez, editor-at-large of National Review Online, who put the entire Roe/abortion exchange up online. You can read the discussion at your leisure and watch some of the video at So what did he say?

Lots, but let’s focus on three items.

First, Justice Scalia, in only a few sentences, exposes the soft jurisprudential underbelly of Roe. As he put it, “[T]he theory that was expounded to impose that decision [Roe] was a theory that does not make any sense.”

Second, Morgan asks Scalia if thinks abortion should be illegal. Justice Scalia responds with the first of several important distinctions: “I don’t have public views on what should be illegal and what shouldn’t. I have public views on what the Constitution prohibits and what it doesn’t prohibit.”

It would be amusing (if the subject weren’t so important) to watch Morgan try to “shame” Scalia into agreeing that abortion ought to be legal. After an incoherent foray into what the rights of women were when the Constitution was written, Morgan takes a second swing:

“But when women began to take charge in the last century, of their lives and their rights and so on, and began to fight for these, everybody believed that was the right thing to do, didn’t they? I mean, why would you be instinctively against that?”

Get it? “Everybody” agrees abortion should be legal—at least everybody who is anybody—so why would Justice Scalia “instinctively” go the wrong way? Then a second keen distinction, one that people like Morgan either cannot understand or refuse to understand. Scalia says

“My view is regardless of whether you think prohibiting abortion is good or whether you think prohibiting abortion is bad, regardless of how you come out on that, my only point is the Constitution does not say anything about it. It leaves it up to democratic choice.

“Some states prohibited it, some states didn’t. What Roe v. Wade — Wade said was that no state can prohibit it. That is simply not in the Constitution. It was one of those many things — most things in the world — left to democratic choice. And — and the court does — does not do democracy a favor when it takes an issue out of democratic choice [Morgan interrupts, but the rest of Scalia’s answer is] simply because it thinks it should not be there.”

Third, Morgan, as is his annoying custom, frontloads his question about the impact of Scalia’s Catholic faith on his jurisprudence by attempting to presuppose/preempt Scalia’s answer.

“But how — how do you, as a conservative Catholic, how do you not bring your personal sense of what is right and wrong to that kind of decision? Because clearly, as a conservative Catholic, you’re going to be fundamentally against abortion.

Scalia answered

“Just as the pro-choice people say the Constitution prohibits the banning of abortion, so, also, the pro-life people say the opposite. They say that the Constitution requires the banning of abortion, because you’re depriving someone of life without due process of law.

“I reject that argument just as I reject the other one. The Constitution, in fact, says nothing at all about the subject. It is left to democratic choice.

Now, regardless of what my views as a Catholic are, the Constitution says nothing about it.”

Justice Scalia was, as usual, brilliant. As I mentioned you can read the entire exchange and watch part of the back and forth at It is much better than the gobbledygook that ran in Reuters.

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