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Live Action’s undercover video of abortionist LeRoy Carhart, Day Two

by | May 9, 2013

By Dave Andrusko

Abortionist Leroy Carhart

Abortionist Leroy Carhart

Wednesday was one of the rare days I took the bus to work and it provided me the opportunity to read carefully the entire transcript of Live Action’s undercover investigation of notorious “late-term” abortionist LeRoy Carhart. (I had done a relatively quick once-over the first time.)

As I always say by way of preface, you actually have to listen/watch to get the full flavor of what (in this case) Carhart said on the video on two separate occasions in which a Live Action investigator visited his “Abortion and Contraceptive Clinic of Nebraska.”  Here are some impressions.

#1. Understandably, everyone—well, MOST everyone—is disgusted when they read this exchange from the transcript.

Woman: if we run into trouble … for some reason, I’m not able to deliver, you’ll be able to get it out in pieces.

“Dr. Carhart: We’d take it out…

“Woman: What do you use to break it up? Just–

“Dr. Carhart: A whole bunch of–

“Woman: You’ve got a toolkit.

“Dr. Carhart: A pickaxe, a drill bit, yeah (laughs).

But it’s the casualness, the just-between-us-we-get-the-“joke” tone that is most chilling. However in a warped way, that probably makes a kind of sick sense. Carhart tells one of the women that he performed his first abortion in 1970!

#2. As you would expect, in the transcript Carhart minimizes the dangers of abortions and exaggerates the dangers of childbirth. He tells the second investigator that in the United States in the last several years

“it averages between 15 and 18 women die out of every 1,000 from being pregnant.”

In fact, according to an article in the December 2010 edition of the journal of the America College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the number hovers between 12 and 17 deaths per 100,000 live births. In other words, Carhart’s number is off by a factor of over 100!

#3. Between the {false} safety comparisons, the fact that the women are so far along that the abortion “procedure” takes place over three days, the conversation with the second investigator turns to what happens if there is a problem delivering the dead baby (killed when the abortionist administers a drug the first day) and alternative ways to abort.

The investigator tells Carhart she is nervous about going “through an actual labor.” Without using the term D&C, you can read (or hear) Carhart talking about how other abortionists avoid labor by “taking out bits and pieces.” Asked what he means, Carhart says, “Just to break it [the baby] up and take it out…”

He then references his work with the late abortionist George Tiller and how in over 20,000 abortions of babies over 24 weeks of age [it’s not clear, to me at least, if the total includes when he was working with Tiller or just since], there were just two C-sections. Carhart adds

“I personally haven’t had anyone go to a C-section, but that doesn’t mean that it won’t be the next one or you.

“Woman: Right

“Dr. Carhart. So.

“Woman: Right. But the baby will be, so it’s just like a normal delivery.

“Dr. Carhart: Except the baby’s not alive.”

“Except the baby’s not alive.”

#3. As NRL News Today discussed yesterday, Carhart’s comments belie the line he had appeared to draw in a 2009 interview with Sarah Kliff. As John McCormack notes in the Weekly Standard, Kliff wrote in “The Abortion Evangelist,”

“Carhart has a few firm lines; he won’t, for example, do elective abortions past 24 weeks, because the fetus is likely viable. ‘It just makes sense to me,’ says Carhart. ‘After a certain point in time, the fetus is viable and we have to look at it differently than if it were not viable.’”

But it is also true that in that same interview Carhart gave himself some wiggle room, which he clearly used in this exchange with the Live Action investigator found in the transcript:

Dr. Carhart: So, um, they’ve got this down as a fetal indication. There’s nothing wrong with the baby that you know of, is there?

Woman: Nothing that I know of.

Dr. Carhart: OK, I don’t know where that came from or how that got in here…

Woman: Does that mean, fetal indication?

Dr. Carhart: Means there’s something wrong with the baby and that’s why you’re terminating.

Woman: Yeah. No.

Dr. Carhart: This is just purely elective.

Woman: Purely, this is what I wanna do.

Dr. Carhart: And here (coughs) [in Nebraska] we cannot do it, but in Maryland we can do it…

Woman: So, a baby at this age, what am I, 26 weeks?

Dr. Carhart: 26.

The investigators in each of the undercover operations (which in this latest series included the Bronx, Washington, DC, and Arizona) asked what any woman would when she is carrying a baby who well past the mid-way point of the second trimester: will the abortion hurt the baby? In the latest videos, Carhart circles around the question.

He begins with a lame attempt to analogize the baby’s capacity to experience pain to viewing a movie: you may have the camera and the projector but you have to have “‘a screen to play on.” The baby supposedly lacks the “screen” which is entirely not true. Everything is in place by the 20th week, if not earlier.

Then (to quote from the transcript)

“It’s, um, they don’t hardly recognize the pain after they’re born for the first couple weeks. So, after about two to three weeks after birth they’re, I think then they have pretty good knowledge of pain, but before that I’m not so sure that they do.”


Two to three weeks after birth. What a bald-faced lie.

Live Action explained in the introduction to the transcript something that jumps out at you:

“Chillingly, Carhart obviously knows he is killing babies. He consistently described aborting ‘the baby.’ When our investigator said she could feel her baby kicking, he replied nonchalantly, ‘Yeah, it’s moving now; after 20 weeks, it should be.’ In his mind, though, aborting this living, moving baby was still better than the inconvenience of ‘wondering where you child is and what’s happening to it.’”

Yes, Carhart clearly does, which makes the following macabre exchange even more hideous. Carhart is shown responding to a Live Action investigator acknowledging that during the lengthy abortion procedure she will be carrying a dead baby for three days.

During that time the baby “gets soft and mushy,” Carhart says. In response to a further inquiry, Carhart says in the video, “So, it’s like putting meat in a Crock-Pot, okay.” A moment later he adds this grotesque detail: like meat “in a slow cooker.”

If you can, go to where you can read what we wrote yesterday and watch Live Action’s amazing video.


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