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“Americans ought to know that’s part of being pro-choice”

by | Oct 25, 2016

By Dave Andrusko

“You don’t have to teach children about fairness and unfairness. A sense of justice comes with the kit of being human. We know about it, as we say, in our bones.”
N.T. Wright

“Lying about abortion is a cottage industry, so it was hardly surprising to learn that pro-abortion advocates would label Donald Trump a liar for telling the truth about partial-birth abortion. …
Bill Donahue

DEabortionOn Fox News Sunday, which we alluded to yesterday, Kellyanne Conway had a very revealing exchange with moderator Chris Wallace. Conway, a veteran pro-life pollster and Donald Trump’s campaign manager, highlighted the exchange over abortion Trump and Hillary Clinton had in the third presidential debate.

Her point was that in calling out Clinton on abortion, that Trump “gave the most impassioned defense of life that I’ve ever heard from a Republican presidential candidate” and in so doing accomplished two things no other GOP presidential candidate had in a debate

One is saying, “I’m pro-life, I will appoint pro-life judges.” And then taking the case right to Hillary Clinton that her and her party are for abortion, anyone, anytime, anywhere. They’re incredibly extreme –[support for] sex-selection abortion, fetal pain abortion, taxpayer funded abortion, and, of course, late-term abortion.

Donald Trump said on live TV in front of you that Hillary Clinton would rip the baby from the womb, that it’s OK to have a late-term abortion. She had a terrible defense to that–that somehow it’s because of the life of the mother [not true]. And people say, well, there aren’t that many. [In fact there were thousands annually.]

Americans ought to know that’s part of being pro-choice. So, I was very excited. Let me tell you something. A lot of Republicans just hide under the desk hoping the abortion shrapnel won’t hit them and there was none other than a Manhattan billionaire giving impassioned defense of pro-life.

When Wallace asked Trump for his response to Clinton, he added, “Particularly on this issue of late term partial-birth abortions.” Trump’s answer spoke to Clinton’s position on late abortions in general, not specifically partial-birth abortions (which was an abortion method that was most often used in the fifth and sixth months).

In fact, had Trump gone into detail about what happens to a baby in a dismemberment abortion, the usual suspects would have howled even louder.

Not because it wouldn’t be true, but because what happens to a dismembered baby must be described into medicalese to hide the utter brutality. In a dismemberment abortion, the abortionist uses “clamps, grasping forceps, tongs, scissors or similar instruments [that], slice, crush or grasp a portion of the unborn child’s body in order to cut or rip it off.”


Abortionist Dr. Jennifer Gunter, writing at Vox and the Huffington Post, complains that “we don’t ‘rip’ anything in OB/GYN. ….We use sharp dissection and blunt dissection, but we don’t rip.” Think about that as we move forward.

Gunter’s whole argument at Vox and Huffington Post is that “late” abortions are rare, rare, and rare and essentially only performed when the baby has a condition incompatible with life.

The latter is untrue, as we have discussed innumerable times. As for the numbers, Gunter ignores all the direct and indirect evidence that there are far more late abortions–[after 22 weeks LMP–20 weeks fetal age] than the abortion industry lets on.

For example, when addressing the question, NRLC Legislative Director Douglas Johnson begins by noting, “Nobody has a good handle on how many late abortions are really occurring but there is growing evidence that they are far more common than most people want to think.”

Let me offer a long quote from Mr. Johnson

The Kermit Gosnell case and hidden-camera videos issued by the organization Live Action provide further evidence that a great deal of the late abortion iceberg is below the water. Some of the jurisdictions with the most liberal abortion policies have no reporting requirements — for example, California, Maryland, and D.C. — or do not collect data on stage of pregnancy (Florida, for example). Other jurisdictions have reporting requirements but don’t enforce them — the Grand Jury report on Gosnell said (page 171) that between 2000 and 2010, Gosnell reported only one second-trimester abortion to the state. Yet it appears (pp. 26-27, 88) that Gosnell probably performed thousands of second-trimester and third-trimester abortions during that decade. Multiple other practitioners who perform large volumes of late abortions have also failed to report or not been required to report.

A 2008 study, “Abortion in the United States: Incidence and Access to Services, 2005,” released by the Guttmacher Institute (which was originally founded as a special affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, currently the nation’s largest abortion provider) found that, in 2005, there were at least 1,787 abortion providers in the United States. Of the 1,787 providers, the study found that “[t]wenty percent of providers offered abortions after 20 weeks [LMP], and only 8% at 24 weeks [LMP]…” This translates to at least 300 abortion providers who will perform abortions after 20 weeks LMP and around 140 willing to perform abortions at 24 weeks LMP.

Getting back to Gunter’s insistence that Ob-GYNs don’t do “ripping,” consider how she finesses the question.

First, the abortionist can induce a delivery of a premature baby who will die. No “ripping” there, except perhaps posthumously in the hearts of those who grievously lament what they did to their child.

But, second, as she coolly tells us, “a skilled practitioner can do a dilation and extraction at 32 or 34 weeks.” Remember this is a huge baby, who has been viable for a month.

With a D and E, the cervix is dilated, with the help of medication, instruments or both, and the fetus is removed. The fetus is essentially taken apart with a D and E to fit through the dilated cervix (the cervix is dilated less with a D and E than for an induction). This is no secret to the women having the procedure. This is also no ripping; there is simply surgical technique.

So the “fetus” is “taken apart” so as to “fit through the dilated cervix” but there is no “ripping,” it’s “simply surgical technique.”

If you just look at a medical illustration of a D&E dismemberment abortion, you know this is morally tone-deaf gibberish.

We know these people live in an alternate universe, but don’t they read their own accounts?

Donald Trump was trashed because he pulled the curtain back on what the likes of Hillary Clinton can live with.

Almost everyone else is appalled.

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